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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2010, 01:41:14 PM »
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I think that we should at least explore the notion of taking our time in 10 to 15 second slots and directing people to YouTube. I do not know if it is possible, but we should try and find someone who has more clue.

I really liked the posting with the links to existing YouTube videos. We should be trying to dig up all the stuff that works for us like this.

Although I like the videos above and think they would reach many likely supporters, I think we need to be mindful that for the majority we have to 'pitch lower'. Many, if not most, people would have little idea what was being said in those videos. They assume a certain level of broad 'subject literacy' that from my personal experience simply does not exist.

We should approach the creators of videos that we want to use for permission to tack on our logo and distribute the message.

Although I expect others are correct about being too heavy handed with the 1984 references, I think we should be mindful that this is serious business and find some way to communicate that to people. Ultimately, we are called the 'Pirate Party' because of a 1984 style redefinition of the word 'Pirate' by the people we oppose.

Believe it or not, most people are quite ignorant of the substance of 1984 and not nearly as aware as they should be how far we have moved along that continuum since the book was written.

I have no idea how we 'educate'. Our main task is to persuade and 'education' should be handmaiden to that idea, not the end itself. First, we should persuade people to get to YouTube, then we should use that to persuade those who already agree with us to join in and help.

By the way, I took a quick look to see if PPC is making its way there already and it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sA7DuMh9zQ

Mike did a good job. I have a notion that maybe we should make sure others do similarly good jobs by practicing interviews. Actually, I am thinking we should do little interviews on our various talking points and put them up on a channel there.

Rather than speculating on what may or may not work, we should track down someone with more experience and attempt to set up some sort of research trials. We have a variety of target audiences. We need to identify them and attempt to reach them appropriately.
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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2010, 02:41:12 PM »
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I have no idea how we 'educate'. Our main task is to persuade and 'education' should be handmaiden to that idea, not the end itself. First, we should persuade people to get to YouTube, then we should use that to persuade those who already agree with us to join in and help.

By the way, I took a quick look to see if PPC is making its way there already and it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sA7DuMh9zQ

Mike did a good job. I have a notion that maybe we should make sure others do similarly good jobs by practicing interviews. Actually, I am thinking we should do little interviews on our various talking points and put them up on a channel there.

Rather than speculating on what may or may not work, we should track down someone with more experience and attempt to set up some sort of research trials. We have a variety of target audiences. We need to identify them and attempt to reach them appropriately.

Thank you very much, it was my first time doing anything interview-related since Grade 7, and this was a large potential audience, so I feel I did pretty well.  :Smiley As of right now, our PR team is made of myself, Mikkel, Jake, and Daniel, while Nuitari sometimes handles mail, and two other members (Our founder, Rob Britton, and psema4) have done video interviews (the latter for CHCH Hamilton). I do feel there is  a lot of room for improvement. Our opportunities have decreased, and Daniel, as PR Director, really needs to step up his availability, which he has been trying hard to do. But I agree with the main point being that we be on top of our game when thrown a curve ball. As you can hear in my interview, my knowledge on ACTA was a little rusty.

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« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2010, 08:23:49 AM »
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I'm an animator (+I know many animators more skilled than myself), so if there is any consensus on what sort of ad we should run, I could give it a go.

That being said, I think that our ad should focus on the current disconnect between politics and technology, the public's love of filesharing (We could pull up the statistics that say Canada has the highest % of pirates in the world) & the hope of transparent government.

Also, I think we should minimize the amount of URLs in the ads, these people know how to click hyperlinks. We should direct them to our website. Then our website should direct them to youtube, facebook, twitter, etc.

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« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2010, 12:38:24 PM »
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Like I said, I think a YouTube contest would be the way to go. If you want to submit an entry (and have your friends do the same Smiley), you're more than welcome.
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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2010, 11:37:11 AM »
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I'm an animator (+I know many animators more skilled than myself), so if there is any consensus on what sort of ad we should run, I could give it a go.

That being said, I think that our ad should focus on the current disconnect between politics and technology, the public's love of filesharing (We could pull up the statistics that say Canada has the highest % of pirates in the world) & the hope of transparent government.

Also, I think we should minimize the amount of URLs in the ads, these people know how to click hyperlinks. We should direct them to our website. Then our website should direct them to youtube, facebook, twitter, etc.

You know what ads are doing great? Apple's. They are managing to sell poison with them. Surely we can come up with something that will sell the antidote.

I think you should go for it. However, you should:

1) Define what the ad is trying to do. It should be to *persuade* people who might help us to go somewhere else to hear the longer (and sexier!) version(s) of our message(s). I favor attempting to move people to YouTube first and ultimately to our website. By the time they get here, they should be pointed to material on the wiki and finally make their way into the conversation here.

2) Examine other advertisements that are attempting to do something similar and have been successful. Great artists steal. Steal.

3) Do low quality mock-ups of the various ideas and test market them. Here is not a bad place to test market (on the Pirate Party Forums) because this is our initial favored demographic -- activists who will actually do something.

Re: That being said, I think that our ad should focus on the current disconnect between politics and technology,

Maybe, but remember, the purpose of the advertisement is ultimately *only* to persuade. I have my doubts as to whether that is persuasive enough to get me on to the Internet to look further. Whatever the case, this is an empirical question that you can test and answer empirically before we blow our ad budget 'live'.

I favor advertisements that are likely to result in the most votes in an election. My thinking is that we should *leverage* our TV time to get *more* time on YouTube. YouTube visits are free and they can go viral. TV ads (unless up on YouTube) can't go viral very well. I favor bringing people to YouTube rather than the website because Video is much more immersive, much more persuasive and much more accessible (the majority(!) of people have very poor literacy with the written word). Even the bookish are more likely 'hooked' by moving images and sound than prose, no matter how well done.

With respect to grabbing attention, you should grab the eyes first. If I saw an image of a predator like a wildcat about to pounce on a baby on it's mother's naked chest as they lay in a bed of rose petals, with the hint of a shiny weapon nearby, I doubt I would turn away. How about this: Imagery similar to the above, action starting on a close-up of the woman's chest (covered enough for prime-time). Idyllic music plays in the background as we pull out to reveal a baby's wide eyes and compelling face. Back further, and as the red background begins to show, the music takes on a slightly dark coloration presaging the action to come. Suddenly, a sharp sound from the orchestra as the cat moves into the frame mid-pounce and the baby's eyes widen in surprise. Freeze-frame right there and on a held violin note put up the youtube address of the full video and a voice-over saying 'Get the story".

The above capitalizes on a bunch of human hard-wiring. There is sex, danger, the natural instinct to protect the young and the arresting color of ripe fruit. There is also a storyline and it is incomplete. Curiousity as to what happens next will drive a lot of people to look for the ending, even if they are downright angry about being manipulated.

I am (way) not a visual artist, but I wonder if it is possible for the baby's wide eyes to look like they are happy initially in the context of the initial close-up and for the context to suddenly make them look surprised and fearful (but same expression and eyes) as you see the cat pouncing.

I would try to make the other side of it a happy ending. I have an idea that would require cgi manipulation and I think would be happy, funny and deliver a strong message all at once. Yeah. When I see someone take action on this, I will work with them on the ending. The rest of you will have to wait for the video buwa ha ha.

To get elected, we will need help from a lot of volunteers ahead of anything else. We can likely depend upon *some* like-minded people to look us up. However, even they have competing demands on their time. We need to grab people as well as we can, in much more primitive areas of the brain than the cerebellum.

We need to employ all the tried and true methods of persuasion. That includes a battery of techniques of salesmanship.

I suppose we should have some info about all that somewhere as well. One thing I think should be noted is that there is a higher probability of people saying yes after saying it ten times in a row. Everything that can easily be framed as a question whose answer is an obvious 'YES', should be. No questions should have a probability of being answered 'NO'.

We have a substantive message, but it is something that requires much more edification than we can deliver easily. It also requires a much greater awareness of the issues than even computer geeks have. Sadly, we have to persuade people to come into the temple, sit down and listen before we can deliver the sermon.

Calculus is a groundbreaking human achievement. [What the segue is this?] It is an interesting subject in its own right, but for some things, it is mandatory. Calculus matters. However, it is not going to be accessible to the majority of people ever and would not be accessible to anyone in a thirty second (let alone 15 as I would like) second commercial.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step and even 'baby steps' are still steps. We want them off of that couch and over to the computer. Getting them to act even that much starts a process of interactive 'buy-in'. If they invest the time to go to the computer to see the rest of that 'spot', they will already be 'involved' in some sense. If we amuse them, they may just stay to learn more.

It bugs me that we have to do stuff like the above. It is manipulative. However, this is a contest between us and other political parties. They will be doing their best to use every trick possible. My goodness -- look at the completely stupid messages they put up. Surely we can improve on that. [Search for liberal and conservative ads on YouTube. It is enough to make you join another party to fight them.]

To asuage my conscience, even stuff that has to remain under wraps to hobble the competition during an election campaign should be revealed in all its gory splendour after the election. We should be as transparent (more really) as the government we propose to form.

For those who struggled to the end of this message nota bene:

We are in an election campaign right now. It is not a question of whether we are in one or not, it is a question of how well we are doing and if we can do better. I think we have a great start, but our campaign is not likely to win if the election were called tomorrow.
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« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2010, 02:56:42 PM »
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1) Define what the ad is trying to do. It should be to *persuade* people who might help us to go somewhere else to hear the longer (and sexier!) version(s) of our message(s). I favor attempting to move people to YouTube first and ultimately to our website. By the time they get here, they should be pointed to material on the wiki and finally make their way into the conversation here.

Have you seen our wiki? There are tumbleweeds blowing through it. They should visit our site first. pirateparty.ca is much easier to remember than youtube.com/piratepartyofcanada or wiki.pirateparty.ca. We do, however, need to make our front page more dynamic. Embedded YouTube videos would be a great start.

With respect to grabbing attention, you should grab the eyes first. If I saw an image of a predator like a wildcat about to pounce on a baby on it's mother's naked chest as they lay in a bed of rose petals, with the hint of a shiny weapon nearby, I doubt I would turn away. How about this: Imagery similar to the above, action starting on a close-up of the woman's chest (covered enough for prime-time). Idyllic music plays in the background as we pull out to reveal a baby's wide eyes and compelling face. Back further, and as the red background begins to show, the music takes on a slightly dark coloration presaging the action to come. Suddenly, a sharp sound from the orchestra as the cat moves into the frame mid-pounce and the baby's eyes widen in surprise. Freeze-frame right there and on a held violin note put up the youtube address of the full video and a voice-over saying 'Get the story".

Uh...

I suppose we should have some info about all that somewhere as well. One thing I think should be noted is that there is a higher probability of people saying yes after saying it ten times in a row. Everything that can easily be framed as a question whose answer is an obvious 'YES', should be. No questions should have a probability of being answered 'NO'.

Right.

Calculus is a groundbreaking human achievement. [What the segue is this?] It is an interesting subject in its own right, but for some things, it is mandatory. Calculus matters. However, it is not going to be accessible to the majority of people ever and would not be accessible to anyone in a thirty second (let alone 15 as I would like) second commercial.

Exactly. The argument I intend to make on the 22nd is that we need every second of advertising time from Elections Canada that we can get. We need to advertise our platform like every other party, but we also need the chance to put our issues on the map. Even so, with a maximum of 8 minutes of advertising time per network, we can't count on anyone seeing more than one ad. That means we can't run one on copyright, one on patent, etc. Our platform itself needs detailed explanation, because without background it seems overly radical and poorly thought-out.

Therefore, we need to advertise what we want to change more than how we intend to do it. It's more negative than I'd like, but it's necessary given the limited time. As well, I support 15-second slots where possible. With a maximum of 8 minutes, that gives us 16 30-second slots per network or 32 15-second slots. If people hear our name multiple times, they're more likely to remember it.

We are in an election campaign right now. It is not a question of whether we are in one or not, it is a question of how well we are doing and if we can do better. I think we have a great start, but our campaign is not likely to win if the election were called tomorrow.

Didn't you just contradict yourself? We aren't, but we need to prepare for being. We can't begin to air our political advertising until the writ drops, but we can certainly open the YouTube contest.
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2010, 12:16:42 AM »
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How about Flash ads?
I just made one but I don't know how to embed it in my post.
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2010, 12:52:20 AM »
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You can't. Just post a link.
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2010, 02:00:06 AM »
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Here are my ads:
http://www.elementalcomputing.ca/FlashAds/ad1.html
http://www.elementalcomputing.ca/FlashAds/ad2.html
http://www.elementalcomputing.ca/FlashAds/ad3.html
http://www.elementalcomputing.ca/FlashAds/ad4.html
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2010, 02:06:11 PM »
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Oh, no! My sweet iPod Touch is rebelling against this 'flash'! Oh, the humanity!

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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2010, 07:41:52 PM »
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Here are 2 more flash ads.

http://www.elementalcomputing.ca/FlashAds/ad5
http://www.elementalcomputing.ca/FlashAds/ad6

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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2010, 07:32:23 AM »
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The thing with flash is, as I previously stated, is the fact that there are compatibility issues with some browsers. Let's take Safari (or at least Safari Mobile), where Apple has its' hate on for Flash, and thus, you can't see flash. Secondly, when I opened this in firefox, AdBlock immediately detected it and hid it away. Flash ads are on the way out, and, to me, rightly so. This is all flash ads in general.

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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2010, 07:35:03 AM »
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It's unlikely we could find a place to put those on the web. Flash ads are more expensive than regular ads, and those ads are rather plain, which would make it probably not worth the cost.

Even an ultra-flashy ad wouldn't get many clickthroughs that benefit us. The talking points in the ads aren't choice, and fail to incite passion in me.

We need to let these people know explicitly what bill C-32 is going to take away from them. Your average shmuck on the street type has no idea what C-32 is, or anything about how anything works. They just know they like movies and music.

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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2010, 03:04:34 PM »
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Like I said, I think a YouTube contest would be the way to go. If you want to submit an entry (and have your friends do the same Smiley), you're more than welcome.

Lots of great ideas on possible video ads in this forum. Some are a real (good) gas. A YouTube contest would be a great way to go and having it open to members and nonmembers alike could bring more people into the fold. Finding some friendly media to publicize it, by having perhaps a newconference with some wild sample, could pique interest. In my years of using (utilizing) the media they are always hungry for good copy they don't have to work too hard at getting. And, of course, social networks, with links to a sample ad announcing the contest, is a good way to supplement the traditional media way of publicizing the contest.
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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2010, 07:49:44 PM »
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I had a 15 or 30 second video ad for T.V. in my head and I wanted to get it out before I forget.

It starts with a shot of some people standing together on a beach looking out at something in the water. A  female voiceover says something like  - "Did you know that your Internet Service Provider may be slowing the speed of your internet connection because of what you download? Did you know that you can't make a copy of a song you bought without braking the law?

Cut to a closer shot of the group and one person is looking through binoculars.

voiceover - "Are you concerned about your privacy when using websites like Facebook or other social networks? Do you feel your government isn't being open and honest about how it uses your tax dollars and personal data? If so........"

The guy lowers the binoculars, looks to the person beside him and smiles....

voiceover "......your ship has come in....."

Cut to a shot of the water. A giant pirate ship is in the bay with the PPoC logo flying in the wind.

The PPoC logo appears with the website address.


I think that would be epic if it was shot right. The voice over script is off the top of my head but it should reverence social networking somehow since its in the news for privacy issues a lot. Everyone uses Facebook. Maybe even replace the voice over with a pirates voice? Haha maybe that part is a bit  too much.

We would need about 5 people. A guy in his 60's, a guy in his 30's, 2 teens and 2 girls, any age. All different colors, races, backgrounds. Nice 'n Canadian hehheh.

I can think of a few awesome spots to shoot that. A cloudy day would be good. If someone had access to a pro camera to shoot it with we would be set for the live aspect. Of course the big issue is a giant CG pirate ship. Sounds expensive. Maybe stock shots of old ships? I remember seeing a Tall Ships Celebration in BC years ago. That would have been a good opportunity to shoot real "tall ships". Superimpose a PPoC logo on the sails and its good. Jake does computer graphic, correct? Is the CG pirate ship too much? Back when I messed with computer graphics it would have been impossible.

Maybe that's to ambitions but damn...it would be so effective in sparking interest. I like that it doesn't use scare tactics and dystopian imagery. That kind of stuff turns people off instantly. The ship would need to look baaaad aaaass though. I'm thinking Master and Commander style hehheh.
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