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« on: June 28, 2010, 03:40:44 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thSTpGnWEAs
I highly recommend this video!
Satirists Clarke and Dawes's funny and enlightening quasi-interview on the subject of the European Debt problem



Man, this is a real hoot and a half. Maybe this is how we should be doing our advertising videos? Satire is a great way to get a message across. I interviewed, many, many years ago, Don Harron (also know as Charlie Farquharson) when he was hosting the Morningside CBC radio program, or whatever it was called back then, before Peter Gzowski.

Anyhow, Harron said to me: "If you can make people laugh, you can tell them anything, and they will listen." I guess that's why I like Carlin so much. He made you laugh (although if he had cleaned his language up a tad he could have enlarged his audience) while he was railing against the establishment.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2010, 01:37:00 PM »
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Satire rules, we should use it

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 07:10:10 PM »
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Satire rarely works for politicians, show me one time when satire was used by a party to good effect in contemporary Canadian politics, not including off-the cuff, spur of the moment remarks by politicians.

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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 11:40:38 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2010, 12:13:37 AM »
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Satire rarely works for politicians, show me one time when satire was used by a party to good effect in contemporary Canadian politics, not including off-the cuff, spur of the moment remarks by politicians.
Satiring ourselves would be the only way that I think would work, and that would have to be carefully done to make sure that we get a net positive impression. Satiring the other guys comes off as an attack.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2010, 01:35:38 AM »
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The Rhinos make fun of themselves. Serious parties do not.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 06:14:31 PM »
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here is an interesting vid out of the UK that parodies the whole.
You are using too much bandwidth therefore you are a pirate concept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st2tWxB5Fc8&feature=player_embedded#!
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 12:04:25 PM »
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I feel a strong wind of closemindedness in this thread.

Satire rarely works for politicians, show me one time when satire was used by a party to good effect in contemporary Canadian politics, not including off-the cuff, spur of the moment remarks by politicians.

1) Why does something have to have been done before to be worth doing? It's clear to me that you're grasping at straws here, and you don't have any sort of logical reason to toss satire to the side altogether.  Show me one time there has been a party called the pirate party that was in contemporary Canadian politics. Show me one time that there was an oil spill that was as big as the gulf oil spill before the gulf oil spill. Show me one time in contemporary Canadian politics where a prime minister spent a billion dollars to try to keep people from protesting a private meeting of world leaders. Show me one time that there was (one of anything) before (the first time that thing happened).

2) When you request a use of satire using only criteria like that, it's because you want me to not be able to respond with an answer. But I motion that your inclusion of those limiting terms shows that you know there is examples of parties using satire in contemporary politics to success. And you know that there are off the cuff remarks by Canadian politics that were effective that could be considered satirical.

The Rhinos make fun of themselves. Serious parties do not.

You've got a stick up your butt, Mikkel. And I say this because this forum is not open to the public.

And feel free to censor it if you want to. I am serious, I think there is something you can learn from what I say. But I know you're coming into this from a negative mindset because I accused you of having a stick in your butt. I would like you to forget the pain of that remark, and come into this with a learning attitude. I have the best interests of the party at heart here, even if you disagree with me. Dissent is the strongest form of patriotism, right?

You are obsessed with being serious, and it's going to be your downfall. I know you aren't running currently, but if you run as you are you are faced with several things. 1) No one caring or listening to what you say, because you seem bland. In your efforts to be palatable and non-offensive, you're going to blend in with the many other people who want to win the seat. All of you seem bland and powerless. 2) No one is going to vote for you, or learn anything from you knocking on their door or what-have-you. Because of the first thing.

This is not a personal attack, this is an attack of policy. I see it on pirate party everywhere. We're forgettable as hell and we aren't getting any word out to anyone. Our userbase is small when it could be large.

When you compare the ideas of members to the Rhino party, and seek to distinguish us from them as a serious party, you're being really foolish. I really think so.

The whole point of the rhinocerous party was the satire. No one is suggesting that the pirate party turn into a satirical party. We still have our issues, and we can still stand for them.

We're suggesting that we embrace the things that make us unique, use internet culture to our advantage, and use satire to make our message resonate.

Aren't you aware of that business trick? If you can make them laugh, you've got their attention. I read somewhere that if you make someone laugh it makes them more trusting of you, but I can't source that. Either way, it's worth considering that the best we can do is get exposure for the cause moreso than ourselves.


What we need to tell the people:

-information is a right, and the internet should be considered a library of all information.

-what net neutrality is and how it affects them.

-what digital soveriegnty is and how it's worthwhile

-the motives of the supporters of C-32

-even if they don't vote for us, they should vote third party


we need to do it in an entertaining way, they need to be engaged, and we need to tap into the massive amount of people who aren't voting by essentially saying to them "why should we stop sharing if it makes everyone feel good? You love it, right? Isn't protecting that wonderful internet worth going to the voting booth for?"

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 03:12:10 PM »
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So what would happen if the Rhinos suddenly decided to get serious and advocate copyright reform? They're get laughed out of town. Once people start laughing, they aren't going to stop. That doesn't mean we can't run funny commercials, but it does mean that we can't run commercials saying "ha ha we're here to replace Parliament with a giant pirate ship".
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 03:35:29 PM »
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So what would happen if the Rhinos suddenly decided to get serious and advocate copyright reform? They're get laughed out of town. Once people start laughing, they aren't going to stop. That doesn't mean we can't run funny commercials, but it does mean that we can't run commercials saying "ha ha we're here to replace Parliament with a giant pirate ship".
Yeah, I don't mean we should make ourselves look like Rhinos, just that we should show an ability to laugh at ourselves.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 11:30:02 AM »
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You've got a stick up your butt, Mikkel. And I say this because this forum is not open to the public.

And feel free to censor it if you want to. I am serious, I think there is something you can learn from what I say. But I know you're coming into this from a negative mindset because I accused you of having a stick in your butt. I would like you to forget the pain of that remark, and come into this with a learning attitude. I have the best interests of the party at heart here, even if you disagree with me. Dissent is the strongest form of patriotism, right?

You are obsessed with being serious, and it's going to be your downfall. I know you aren't running currently, but if you run as you are you are faced with several things. 1) No one caring or listening to what you say, because you seem bland. In your efforts to be palatable and non-offensive, you're going to blend in with the many other people who want to win the seat. All of you seem bland and powerless. 2) No one is going to vote for you, or learn anything from you knocking on their door or what-have-you. Because of the first thing.

This is not a personal attack, this is an attack of policy. I see it on pirate party everywhere. We're forgettable as hell and we aren't getting any word out to anyone. Our userbase is small when it could be large.

When you compare the ideas of members to the Rhino party, and seek to distinguish us from them as a serious party, you're being really foolish. I really think so.

If you're going to insult possibly our most active and devoted member, put your money where your mouth is. Where's your nomination? Why aren't you running? Why don't you show us how to do a campaign?

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 12:40:42 PM »
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So what would happen if the Rhinos suddenly decided to get serious and advocate copyright reform? They're get laughed out of town. Once people start laughing, they aren't going to stop. That doesn't mean we can't run funny commercials, but it does mean that we can't run commercials saying "ha ha we're here to replace Parliament with a giant pirate ship".

well you might notice mikkel that you're the only one who has suggested any specific uses of satire, and it's clear you're trying to dismiss the whole idea based on your silly suggestions of what satire may be

I'm just saying, if you completely close the door to satire and comedy and try to play this thing straight, you're going to have the same problem every third party candidate ever has had:

No one cares about your issues, no one votes for you

If you're going to insult possibly our most active and devoted member, put your money where your mouth is. Where's your nomination? Why aren't you running? Why don't you show us how to do a campaign?

This is stupid Mike, don't drop to this level. You can't use the bullshit argument "lets see YOU do better" because it's ignorant, petty and doesn't accomplish anything. You're attacking the critic instead of the criticism. You're a respectable guy and you're doing a lot for the party, and so is Mikkel. I'm not trying to sell short your guys' contributions. I'm not trying to bring anyone down, I'm trying to push my belief in what I think the pirate party should be doing to the word out there, because I feel like our current plan is not going to get the word out in time to save the internet.

And here is my nomination, but I haven't been a member long enough yet, till August. I wrote my write up months ago, and stopped trying to streamline it when I was informed I wasn't able to run, so it's not a full, accurate, portrait of my ideas.

https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=98.0

I'll be sure to update it in the future.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 01:21:16 PM »
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While you are right that we must not be bland, we also need to remain serious in our approach.

I think we've all seen what the neorhinos did, and there was also a previous rhino party also being highly satirical.
There used to be the Natural Law Party, which did go down (at least in Montreal) as the party with the least fortunate timing for its ads.

The sad truth is that we need to bring our message in a serious and solid manner, but also in a way that grabs people's attention. There is nothing wrong with being over dramatic in how we do it too, C-32 and ACTA leave us with ample room.

If we start presenting ourselves in our ads as pirates in full disney costume, we'll never get anywhere.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2010, 02:06:42 PM »
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If we start presenting ourselves in our ads as pirates in full disney costume, we'll never get anywhere.

I absolutely agree. We need to obviously take a calculated approach for these things. Our on-TV ads we should try to monger a bit of fear, because it's totally warranted, and it will make people want to start asking questions about copyright law and net neutrality.

But our on-the-internet campaign (which ideally we would want to go viral) we should be using satire heavily. Try to appeal to the internet comedy crowd, to get them to spread it. Using the internet to capture the non-voting demographic.

I want to say again, because I think it's a good talking point:

We should encourage people, if they are not voting for us, to vote for another third party candidate. It's a cool thing to do.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2010, 04:29:47 PM »
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If you're going to insult possibly our most active and devoted member, put your money where your mouth is. Where's your nomination? Why aren't you running? Why don't you show us how to do a campaign?

While I appreciate your support, I don't mind criticism and will expect a lot more of it as candidate. Your "why don't you run for candidate" argument backfired a bit, there. Wink

But our on-the-internet campaign (which ideally we would want to go viral) we should be using satire heavily. Try to appeal to the internet comedy crowd, to get them to spread it. Using the internet to capture the non-voting demographic.

Viral videos don't have to involve self-satire. No matter the medium, we need to present a respectable image. Yes we can let our hair down a bit online, but that doesn't mean being a joke online and trying to act serious offline.

We should encourage people, if they are not voting for us, to vote for another third party candidate. It's a cool thing to do.

This is something I am pushing for as well. The specifics are currently under discussion.
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